04.19.05
The Email Conversation.
Two points of view can generate some very interesting dialog and conversation. While each party many not agree, it’s important to realize you can learn from each other.
The Email Conversation.
In this show you’ll hear some very interesting dialog between The ZD and a female listener to the program. You’ll hear why rejection often has nothing to do with the guy at all. Finally you will learn that females do throw walls up and how do deal with those walls depending upon the situation.
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- The Email Conversation. (mp3) - Size: 7.37mb - Time: 32m 14s
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Andrew said,
April 22, 2005 at 1:24 pm
I like most of the ideas on the show. I just wanted to make some comments about the emailing-girl who you had the dicussion with. To the point: I can’t see any debate in what she has stated to you. When a guy approaches a girl with a good attitude and the girl just ignores him, he has every right to comment to his friend(wingman) that this girl has got an attitude problem. It is not the guy who was being rude it was the girl. Just like the example you gave about your friend’s opener talking about his dogs and getting attitude from the girl. When you friend passed her test and told her she can’t act like that around him he broke down a wall. If a girl ignores and can’t communicate properly that she has some real problems and can’t talk then that’s her problem because she’s at a bar.
In my opinion the emailing-girl’s opinions are not in anyway helpful because it looks negative on the situation and does not look at the fact that the a girl was ignoring just most likely testing. In a real problem situation where a girl does not want to talk then she should say so and not keep the guy guessing(ignoring), because it is just plain rude to ignore another person who is honestly interested in them.
At one point the emailing-girl says that guys should just accept and leave if a girl ignores him. That is the worst advise ever. A guy who approaches a girl is interested in her to the level of at least wanting to talk to her and if the girl ignores him then it is just plain being rude and the guy will naturally not feel good about the situation. I think the guy has a duty to tell that girl that she can’t act that way either by communicating it to his wingman so she can hear or getting pissed off and teller it to her straight.
Personally no offensive to the emailing-girl but I would like to hear more male opinions. I was wondering why the emailing-girl is interested in this kind of show anyways like is she looking for advise to help her interact with guys or just figure out more ways to make guys agreeable with everything girls do. Emailing-girl is very unrealistic, and probably only knows assholes. She should realize that these people listening to the show are looking to brake conversational girl-test walls in a social setting and not verbally abuse woman.
Emailing-girl you said “sometimes it is not the right time”… Not true… Do you expect girls to invite guys over. Some guys need to learn to take control over their interactions, because most girls will consciencely or unconsciencely test and mess with a guy being what a girl would say a “nice guy”.
The Female point of view I believe guys only need to ask girls why they do what they do, and not what works because females have no idea what works from my experience or they know what works but will never admitt it.
Being ignored is an attack, and if you leave and feel bad it is because you let them get away with that kind of bad additude.
Yo MothaB don’t let this girl get you off track your initial comments were well placed.
Andrew…
Live the frame you want. I think it is usually the fear that a poor reaction will result of the situation and the fact that people will usually turn it into a self-fullfilling prophesy. If you want to have a good time picking up you should look forward to any situation that may arise.